Crisis talks pledge over Ted Bates statue
SAINTS officials have pledged to hold crisis talks with the Ted Bates Trust after hundreds of supporters condemned the £112,000 statue of the club stalwart.
Since being unveiled outside St Mary's on Saturday night, scores of fans have flooded the Daily Echo website saying the 16ft statue is out of proportion and does not bear a strong enough resemblance to Bates, who gave the club 66 years of unbroken service.
Critics have likened the statue to 80s TV entertainer Jimmy Krankie, US president George Bush and even former Pompey owner Milan Mandaric.
Representatives of the Ted Bates Trust, which commissioned the project, gave up countless hours to raise money towards the statue, which was sculpted by Saints fan Ian Brennan.
The final £10,000 was raised at an unveiling dinner on Saturday night attended by more than 450 guests and 30 former players.
After approaching Saints for help the club have agreed to meet with the Trust in the near future to see how the problem can be resolved.
Mr Brennan, who spent 18 months sculpting the statue before it was completed at the Bronze Age Sculpture Casting Foundry in London, said: "This was more than a commission, it was a passion. I am a Saints fan through and through and I am very sorry a number of supporters do not like the end result and I would be very happy to work with the Trust and club to resolve any issues."
Speaking on behalf of the Bates family, Ted's daughter Jackie said: "Dad's statue represents an artists impression of Ted. It was commissioned by the Trust with the club's support and if they feel it needs to be removed for further work, then we are perfectly happy for this to happen."
Mary Bates, the widow of the man known as Mr Southampton, unveiled the £112,000 statue on Saturday night in front of other family members, former players, club officials and fans.
Dave Ford, chairman of the Ted Bates Trust, which commissioned the project and shared the cost with the club, said: "Ian has done a tremendous job. It's very rare I'm lost for words but I saw the statue last week and it's awesome - a tremendous tribute to a great man.
"Fans have waited a long time for this and it's fantastic."
Ted Bates served Southampton FC for 66 years in several guises before his death in November 2003, at the age of 85.
He signed for the club as a teenage striker 60 years ago and formed a prolific partnership with Charlie Wayman before becoming a coach when his playing career ended in 1952.
Ted managed the club for 18 years before handing the reins to Lawrie McMenemy in 1973, but spent a further 20 years as a club director before stepping down in 1993.
In 1998, he received an MBE in recognition of his services to football and was made club president before being made a Freeman of the City of Southampton a year later.
6:44am Monday 19th March 2007
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CommentPosted by: Forest Saint, Brockenhurst on 2:37pm Sat 17 Mar 07
A Fitting Tribute to a great man.
I suggest the current playing squad read 'Dell Diamond' and realise what the club meant to him, and what he made the club.
A Fitting Tribute to a great man.
I suggest the current playing squad read 'Dell Diamond' and realise what the club meant to him, and what he made the club.
Posted by: David Crook, Wakefield W.Yorkshire on 8:58pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Let us pray to-day for the life of a great man in Ted Bates, and thank him for giving us great days at Southampton Football Club.
Long Distance Saints Fan,
David Crook.
Let us pray to-day for the life of a great man in Ted Bates, and thank him for giving us great days at Southampton Football Club.
Long Distance Saints Fan,
David Crook.
Posted by: Pat Welch on 4:14am Sun 18 Mar 07
Oh Ted, how we all yearn for the exciting football,and memories, that we all have of your time as manager. You must be turning in your grave at what is happening to the club you loved so dearly.
Oh Ted, how we all yearn for the exciting football,and memories, that we all have of your time as manager. You must be turning in your grave at what is happening to the club you loved so dearly.
Posted by: Matt on 10:37am Sun 18 Mar 07
Everyone has total respect for Ted Bates but this statue is very poor. Its totally out of proportion and looks like a caricuture. It needs remedial work asap or should be taken down as its an embarrasment.
Everyone has total respect for Ted Bates but this statue is very poor. Its totally out of proportion and looks like a caricuture. It needs remedial work asap or should be taken down as its an embarrasment.
Posted by: kev, southampton on 11:52am Sun 18 Mar 07
The statue is appaling, head all out of proportion, hands/wrists look completely wrong £112,000 utterly wasted. someones laughing all the way to the bank looks like the "artist" took the money and got one of his kids to make it!
The statue is appaling, head all out of proportion, hands/wrists look completely wrong £112,000 utterly wasted. someones laughing all the way to the bank looks like the "artist" took the money and got one of his kids to make it!
Posted by: Paul on 1:43pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The statue of the great Ted Bates is a complete joke. It looks like Rupert has been kept busy by building the statue himself.
Its totally out of proportion, why has Teds head been built so big, and his legs are so small?
It looks like a joke and should be improved asap. Compare the statue to the likes of Bill Shankley etc it looks like ours was built by people doing community service.
The statue of the great Ted Bates is a complete joke. It looks like Rupert has been kept busy by building the statue himself.
Its totally out of proportion, why has Teds head been built so big, and his legs are so small?
It looks like a joke and should be improved asap. Compare the statue to the likes of Bill Shankley etc it looks like ours was built by people doing community service.
Posted by: Ryan, Hedge End on 2:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
His Head his too big.
His arms too big.
His legs to small.
Its awful, whoever comissioned this should hang their heads in shame, it looks terrible and we are going to be a laughing stock!
Please take it down and re-do the whole thing straight away!
His Head his too big.
His arms too big.
His legs to small.
Its awful, whoever comissioned this should hang their heads in shame, it looks terrible and we are going to be a laughing stock!
Please take it down and re-do the whole thing straight away!
Posted by: Gary, Derby on 2:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I've seen the pictures on the web - not, funnily enough on the Official Site or the Ted Bates Trust site - and the statue is absolutely terrible.
Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.
A disgrace to the memory of the father of the club.
I've seen the pictures on the web - not, funnily enough on the Official Site or the Ted Bates Trust site - and the statue is absolutely terrible.
Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves.
A disgrace to the memory of the father of the club.
Posted by: Tris on 2:36pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The statue is truely awful. An embaressment to Ted Bates and everyone connected with SFC.
Who gave the go ahead for this hideous cartoon caricature to be put on the plinth?
The statue is truely awful. An embaressment to Ted Bates and everyone connected with SFC.
Who gave the go ahead for this hideous cartoon caricature to be put on the plinth?
Posted by: Dan Grey, Southampton on 2:36pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Who approved this ?
It has to go before the Pompey fans have a fiels day.
The Boardrooms a mess the managers a mess the teams a mess.
And now this !!!
Who approved this ?
It has to go before the Pompey fans have a fiels day.
The Boardrooms a mess the managers a mess the teams a mess.
And now this !!!
Posted by: Jr, Southampton on 2:56pm Sun 18 Mar 07
A real shame. Ted was a great great man but this statue is woeful. It looks more like George Bush than it does Ted Bates. He looks like a cartoon. I'm so sorry Ted. :-(
A real shame. Ted was a great great man but this statue is woeful. It looks more like George Bush than it does Ted Bates. He looks like a cartoon. I'm so sorry Ted. :-(
Posted by: LM, Blackfield on 3:05pm Sun 18 Mar 07
What a disaster. This statue is not fit to grace St Mary's and is an insult to the memory of Ted Bates. As a fan who was more than pleased to contribute financially to this I feel badly let down. Take it down now before this great man becomes a cult figure for sniggering Pompey fans.
What a disaster. This statue is not fit to grace St Mary's and is an insult to the memory of Ted Bates. As a fan who was more than pleased to contribute financially to this I feel badly let down. Take it down now before this great man becomes a cult figure for sniggering Pompey fans.
Posted by: Tim, Southampton/London on 3:14pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I drove past it today and i have to say i fel embarrassed by the statue. Sure i am sure the sculptor put a lot of work into it but it is totally out of proportion and it looks like a cartoon character. If we werem't already the laughing stock of the south coast we sure will be with this. Get it re-done ASAP!!!!
I drove past it today and i have to say i fel embarrassed by the statue. Sure i am sure the sculptor put a lot of work into it but it is totally out of proportion and it looks like a cartoon character. If we werem't already the laughing stock of the south coast we sure will be with this. Get it re-done ASAP!!!!
Posted by: maggie on 3:22pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The statue doesn't quite look right.
The statue doesn't quite look right.
Posted by: Danny, London on 3:28pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Honestly, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I saw this insult to Ted. It truly is comical - totally out of proportion. What was the artist thinking, and did nobody check his work before it got too far? Or is this just a case of "The Emperors New Clothes"?
Whatever the reasons, it is makes us a laughing stock (again!) and tarnishes the memory of a Saints legend. It MUST come down ASAP and be remodelled.
My wife, who has no knowledge of the late, great Ted, when seeing a picture of it just burst out laughing and exclaimed "My God, it looks like a munchkin!".
[bold]It has to go, and go quickly.[/bold]
Honestly, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I saw this insult to Ted. It truly is comical - totally out of proportion. What was the artist thinking, and did nobody check his work before it got too far? Or is this just a case of "The Emperors New Clothes"?
Whatever the reasons, it is makes us a laughing stock (again!) and tarnishes the memory of a Saints legend. It MUST come down ASAP and be remodelled.
My wife, who has no knowledge of the late, great Ted, when seeing a picture of it just burst out laughing and exclaimed "My God, it looks like a munchkin!".
It has to go, and go quickly. Posted by: James, Southampton on 3:31pm Sun 18 Mar 07
i do hope that the title "saints legend to stand [bold]tall[/bold] outside St Marys" is ironic
i do hope that the title "saints legend to stand
tall outside St Marys" is ironic
Posted by: Kev, Eastleigh on 3:34pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Truly awful.
Posted by: Adrian, Eastleigh on 3:37pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The proportions just make it look like a joke. Can't this club get anything right?
The proportions just make it look like a joke. Can't this club get anything right?
Posted by: JB, Southampton on 3:38pm Sun 18 Mar 07
When you say 'Stand Tall' outside St Mary's you're joking right? It is so obviously not acceptable it's unbelievable. If there was not enough cash for the legs....we spent £4m on Rory Delap for god's sake!! Ted Bates deserves more.
When you say 'Stand Tall' outside St Mary's you're joking right? It is so obviously not acceptable it's unbelievable. If there was not enough cash for the legs....we spent £4m on Rory Delap for god's sake!! Ted Bates deserves more.
Posted by: Marcus, Bitterne on 4:12pm Sun 18 Mar 07
In the photo above, it looks slightly like Ted. But if you look on thesaintsforum ar more clear pictures and see it for yourself, it looks nothing like him what so ever. Disgraceful.
In the photo above, it looks slightly like Ted. But if you look on thesaintsforum ar more clear pictures and see it for yourself, it looks nothing like him what so ever. Disgraceful.
Posted by: Lee Marchant (Saintlee), Southampton on 4:21pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I was really hoping that the unvieling of the statue would raise the mood of the fans which has taken such a battering in recent weeks. A statement to the players and Supporters alike of what Southampton Football club is all about. Unfortunately this Tolkien-esque monstrosity only seems to be another chapter in the St Mary's Comedy Circus of recent times. My condolences to those at the Ted Bates trust who worked so hard to make this happen.
I was really hoping that the unvieling of the statue would raise the mood of the fans which has taken such a battering in recent weeks. A statement to the players and Supporters alike of what Southampton Football club is all about. Unfortunately this Tolkien-esque monstrosity only seems to be another chapter in the St Mary's Comedy Circus of recent times. My condolences to those at the Ted Bates trust who worked so hard to make this happen.
Posted by: Darren, Ocean Village on 4:22pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I was really looking forward to the unveiling of Ted Bates statue.
However, i'm gutted.
It looks like the work of a total amateur and is not fitting of the great man
I was really looking forward to the unveiling of Ted Bates statue.
However, i'm gutted.
It looks like the work of a total amateur and is not fitting of the great man
Posted by: Red Rob on 4:27pm Sun 18 Mar 07
mmm..... interesting. Looks like the little oompah loompah guys out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
mmm..... interesting. Looks like the little oompah loompah guys out of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
Posted by: Chris, Woolston on 4:33pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Sorry this is horrible. A cross between Milan Manderic and Papa Smurf.
I know the Trust meant well, but didnt anyone see it before hand?
Sorry this is horrible. A cross between Milan Manderic and Papa Smurf.
I know the Trust meant well, but didnt anyone see it before hand?
Posted by: Tony, Totton on 4:33pm Sun 18 Mar 07
This is so heartbreaking and tragic to see. So many people were looking forward to seeing this tribute to a true legend, especially as we all need a lift in spirits considering everything that is going so wrong with Saints at the moment. I appreciate the undoubted effort that the Ted Bates Trust have put in but this result is an insult to the Ted Bates, his family and the club. Please get this monstrosity of an excuse of a statue removed asap and replaced with something resembling the quality of Sir Matt Busby at Old Trafford and Billy Bremner at Leeds. We really did not need this, it undermines us all and must be removed as soon as possible. I feel so sorry for Ted Bates's family.
This is not the time for finger pointing, please just remove it as quickly as possible.
This is so heartbreaking and tragic to see. So many people were looking forward to seeing this tribute to a true legend, especially as we all need a lift in spirits considering everything that is going so wrong with Saints at the moment. I appreciate the undoubted effort that the Ted Bates Trust have put in but this result is an insult to the Ted Bates, his family and the club. Please get this monstrosity of an excuse of a statue removed asap and replaced with something resembling the quality of Sir Matt Busby at Old Trafford and Billy Bremner at Leeds. We really did not need this, it undermines us all and must be removed as soon as possible. I feel so sorry for Ted Bates's family.
This is not the time for finger pointing, please just remove it as quickly as possible.
Posted by: Jason, Regents Park on 4:40pm Sun 18 Mar 07
What has Jimmy Krankie got to do with The Saints??!!
What has Jimmy Krankie got to do with The Saints??!!
Posted by: Forest Saint, Brockenhurst on 5:10pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I posted first on this page before the statue was revealed.
Sorry Ted.
I'm appalled.
Nothing surprises me about this club anymore.
I posted first on this page before the statue was revealed.
Sorry Ted.
I'm appalled.
Nothing surprises me about this club anymore.
Posted by: Phil on 5:15pm Sun 18 Mar 07
No disrespect to the great Ted Bates but if you put a bowler hat on the statue if would look like Mr.Ben.
No disrespect to the great Ted Bates but if you put a bowler hat on the statue if would look like Mr.Ben.
Posted by: Keith Johnstone, Montpellier France on 5:47pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Having seen the photos on the web I find the statue a complete and utter monstosity. The face bares no resemblance to Ted whatsoever and the body is that of some freak. It needs taken down and recommissioned from an artist who knows what he's doing. I can't believe this is what we get after such a long wait. Shame on Southampton for allowing this travesty to come about and shame the memory of a real gentleman and true Saint.
Having seen the photos on the web I find the statue a complete and utter monstosity. The face bares no resemblance to Ted whatsoever and the body is that of some freak. It needs taken down and recommissioned from an artist who knows what he's doing. I can't believe this is what we get after such a long wait. Shame on Southampton for allowing this travesty to come about and shame the memory of a real gentleman and true Saint.
Posted by: A Hobbit, The Shire on 5:48pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Well I think it looks great!
Well I think it looks great!
Posted by: Jimmy Krankie, Glasgow on 5:51pm Sun 18 Mar 07
So do I.
Posted by: Olly Oompah Loompah, The Chocolate Factory. on 5:53pm Sun 18 Mar 07
It looks smashing!
Posted by: TFS, Southampton on 5:56pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Gary[/bold] wrote:
I\'ve seen the pictures on the web - not, funnily enough on the Official Site or the Ted Bates Trust site - and the statue is absolutely terrible. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves. A disgrace to the memory of the father of the club.[/quote] I don't think it is the organisers fault. The artist has clearly got it wrong. Yes it is a fitting tribute to the great man, however the statue is awful.
Gary wrote:
I\'ve seen the pictures on the web - not, funnily enough on the Official Site or the Ted Bates Trust site - and the statue is absolutely terrible. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves. A disgrace to the memory of the father of the club.
I don't think it is the organisers fault. The artist has clearly got it wrong. Yes it is a fitting tribute to the great man, however the statue is awful.
Posted by: Embarrased Saint on 6:10pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I can only Echo what everyone else has said and that it should be removed asap.
I can only Echo what everyone else has said and that it should be removed asap.
Posted by: Milan Mandaric, Leicester on 6:11pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I buy it if you not like.
Is he waving at the duck?
I buy it if you not like.
Is he waving at the duck?
Posted by: could do better myself on 6:42pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Sorry but it is a disgrace. Is the sculptor a skate fan ???. I hope the board read these comments and those on thesaintsforum and realise what a complete **** up has been made and remove it NOW.
Sorry but it is a disgrace. Is the sculptor a skate fan ???. I hope the board read these comments and those on thesaintsforum and realise what a complete **** up has been made and remove it NOW.
Posted by: Ash, Bitterne Park on 6:58pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Shocking,truly shocking. Drove past the statue this morning and was truly embarassed by it,its hidious! The head is way too big and his arms are longer than his legs! Ted deserves better than this,its an insult to his memory.
Shocking,truly shocking. Drove past the statue this morning and was truly embarassed by it,its hidious! The head is way too big and his arms are longer than his legs! Ted deserves better than this,its an insult to his memory.
Posted by: Harry Redknapp, portsmouth on 7:03pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Well i think my mate from warsash has done a great job, and worth the £10 i gave him. Thanks for the other 100k, the pompey players loved it when i treated em to dubia
Well i think my mate from warsash has done a great job, and worth the £10 i gave him. Thanks for the other 100k, the pompey players loved it when i treated em to dubia
Posted by: Eddie, Shirley on 7:04pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Finally we have a landmark to compete with the Spinnaker Tower.
Finally we have a landmark to compete with the Spinnaker Tower.
Posted by: diaster, Portswood on 7:07pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I'm not paying that for a lump of plastic. Cheap and tacky, truly hideous.
I'm not paying that for a lump of plastic. Cheap and tacky, truly hideous.
Posted by: KEITH DURNFORD, SANTA ROSA, CALIFORNIA, USA on 7:11pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Hi,
I just wanted to say how terribly disapointed I am at the new statue of Ted bates. It is a shocking representation of this great man and what he has meant to this club. The face looks more like Milan Manderic than Ted. His right arm is out of proportion and seems to be made of rubber. The legs make him look like a midget. To see how a statue should be made of a great manager/player, see Man Utd, Leeds utd, Sunderland and Liverpool. This is an utter discrace to Ted Bates and SFC. I would like to know did anyone use quality control over the statue, and who gave the final go ahead for it to be cast? Tear it down. Away fans will laugh at this pathetic attempt to capture a legend. Tear it down now.
Keith Durnford
Hi,
I just wanted to say how terribly disapointed I am at the new statue of Ted bates. It is a shocking representation of this great man and what he has meant to this club. The face looks more like Milan Manderic than Ted. His right arm is out of proportion and seems to be made of rubber. The legs make him look like a midget. To see how a statue should be made of a great manager/player, see Man Utd, Leeds utd, Sunderland and Liverpool. This is an utter discrace to Ted Bates and SFC. I would like to know did anyone use quality control over the statue, and who gave the final go ahead for it to be cast? Tear it down. Away fans will laugh at this pathetic attempt to capture a legend. Tear it down now.
Keith Durnford
Posted by: Avrom Shalom, Israel on 8:07pm Sun 18 Mar 07
It's pathetic, just like your club.
It's pathetic, just like your club.
Posted by: Andy Grace on 8:37pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Simply shameful.
Posted by: Mark, West End on 9:10pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Falls short of expectations in my opinion, proportions just dont seem right, poor tribute to a truly great man. Just proves that fans input on wider scale is a must for something so important.
Falls short of expectations in my opinion, proportions just dont seem right, poor tribute to a truly great man. Just proves that fans input on wider scale is a must for something so important.
Posted by: Pompey Fan, Southsea on 9:13pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Funniest thing I've seen since your sorry shower were sent down to fizzypopville. Truly embarrassing. If your club had any dignity they'd sort this insulting statue out.
Funniest thing I've seen since your sorry shower were sent down to fizzypopville. Truly embarrassing. If your club had any dignity they'd sort this insulting statue out.
Posted by: David M, Southampton on 9:19pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[bold]A terrible failure! Tear it down and start again.[/bold] Perhaps insist the entire squad pay the whole cost for a new statue as recompense for such poor entertainment and a failed season. But please tear it down as a priority.
A terrible failure! Tear it down and start again. Perhaps insist the entire squad pay the whole cost for a new statue as recompense for such poor entertainment and a failed season. But please tear it down as a priority.
Posted by: Clive A, Zurich, Switzerland on 9:29pm Sun 18 Mar 07
If you've got something wrong, swallow your pride and admit it early. This statue is a disgrace to the great man. Tear it down, commision someone with a credible portfolio in life like statues and start again, and do it **** sharpish!
If you've got something wrong, swallow your pride and admit it early. This statue is a disgrace to the great man. Tear it down, commision someone with a credible portfolio in life like statues and start again, and do it **** sharpish!
Posted by: baggins, the shire on 9:31pm Sun 18 Mar 07
its awful, why have you covered up my big hairy feet
its awful, why have you covered up my big hairy feet
Posted by: Embarrased Saints Fan, In my shed making another statue out of play doh on 9:57pm Sun 18 Mar 07
After waiting so long for this statue I was so excited on Saturday getting ready for the eagerly awaited unveiling and dinner. The dinner was a huge success and may I say congratulations and well done to all those involved. However, the statue itself is a sheer disappointment. I thought it may have been the light at last night's function, so I drove down today for another look and sad to say it looked even worse.
I took my mum with me, and she could not believe her eyes and was disgusted at such a terrible insult to such an amazing man, like we all are as it seems. I do feel empathy for all those who were involved in the raising of the monies and can only imagine that [bold]no one[/bold] saw the statue in it's entirety before allowing it to go on display....this is definitely not what I was expecting and feel sad we have (yet again) become the laughing stock of all football fans around the country!
After waiting so long for this statue I was so excited on Saturday getting ready for the eagerly awaited unveiling and dinner. The dinner was a huge success and may I say congratulations and well done to all those involved. However, the statue itself is a sheer disappointment. I thought it may have been the light at last night's function, so I drove down today for another look and sad to say it looked even worse.
I took my mum with me, and she could not believe her eyes and was disgusted at such a terrible insult to such an amazing man, like we all are as it seems. I do feel empathy for all those who were involved in the raising of the monies and can only imagine that
no one saw the statue in it's entirety before allowing it to go on display....this is definitely not what I was expecting and feel sad we have (yet again) become the laughing stock of all football fans around the country!
Posted by: clipperty, Botley on 10:04pm Sun 18 Mar 07
What's with the size of the football, what were the makers thinking? Have they never seen a football under someone's arm?
Bloody stupid, to small by miles makes Saints look very foolish, it's the size of a bowling ball for Christ's sake!!!
What's with the size of the football, what were the makers thinking? Have they never seen a football under someone's arm?
Bloody stupid, to small by miles makes Saints look very foolish, it's the size of a bowling ball for Christ's sake!!!
Posted by: Asc Ummer, Totton on 10:11pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I actually like the statue, it reminds me of a story Lawrie Mac once told me about Ted tieing his shoelaces wihout bending over, a rare gift present in few men and only a few of our simian relations. Thanks, worth every penny.
I actually like the statue, it reminds me of a story Lawrie Mac once told me about Ted tieing his shoelaces wihout bending over, a rare gift present in few men and only a few of our simian relations. Thanks, worth every penny.
Posted by: Stumpy, Keymarkets on 10:18pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I am outraged, I did not give anyone permission to use my legs for some scummy statue.
I am outraged, I did not give anyone permission to use my legs for some scummy statue.
Posted by: Diana Rigg, Top Secret on 10:20pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Actually very lifelike.
Posted by: Elsie Tanner, Wetherby on 10:22pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Actually, very lifelike.
Posted by: Boris Yeltsin, Moscow on 10:31pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Why you make leg so short and arm so very long? Why ball so small. Very bad.
Why you make leg so short and arm so very long? Why ball so small. Very bad.
Posted by: Aidan Mills, Southampton on 10:42pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I am utterly appalled that our very own Dell Diamond has been sculptured to resemble something a 3 year old would have turned out in their first attempt at Papier Mache. Mr Brennan can you honestly be happy with the end result?
I am utterly appalled that our very own Dell Diamond has been sculptured to resemble something a 3 year old would have turned out in their first attempt at Papier Mache. Mr Brennan can you honestly be happy with the end result?
Posted by: Sarah Bown, Southampton on 11:13pm Sun 18 Mar 07
What a shame that in tomorrows Echo we will be reading all these comments made here, instead of positive comments celebrating the long awaited statue.
[bold]Who on earth expected the outcome to be like this? This is not what we were expecting.[/bold]
What a shame that in tomorrows Echo we will be reading all these comments made here, instead of positive comments celebrating the long awaited statue.
Who on earth expected the outcome to be like this? This is not what we were expecting. Posted by: Francis Benali, Bengal Palace on 1:03am Mon 19 Mar 07
Dell diamond? From Argos maybe, pure cubic zircona.
Dell diamond? From Argos maybe, pure cubic zircona.
Posted by: Dave Jones, Cardiff on 1:08am Mon 19 Mar 07
[bold]I had no idea he was a midget[/bold] , all the more inspiring considering his achivements.
RIP Ted, your class will always outshine this pitiful little [bold]Close Encounters of the Third Kind[/bold] statue.
[quote][bold]At least it takes some of the heat off George Burley's current surrendermonkeys[/bold][/quote]
I had no idea he was a midget , all the more inspiring considering his achivements.
RIP Ted, your class will always outshine this pitiful little
Close Encounters of the Third Kind statue.
At least it takes some of the heat off George Burley's current surrendermonkeys
Posted by: Paul, Plymouth on 1:31am Mon 19 Mar 07
Oh man that monstrosity is amazing! And not in a good way, I even kinda feel sorry for the saints fans its so embarrassing.
Oh man that monstrosity is amazing! And not in a good way, I even kinda feel sorry for the saints fans its so embarrassing.
Posted by: Tex Basler, The Moggery on 7:37am Mon 19 Mar 07
Is it me or is his right hand on back to front?
...Ted would turn in his urn.
Is it me or is his right hand on back to front?
...Ted would turn in his urn.
Posted by: Steve Good on 8:11am Mon 19 Mar 07
When are the Echo going to delete all these pathetic comments on here from these cyber-morons?
When are the Echo going to delete all these pathetic comments on here from these cyber-morons?
Posted by: G.Ayhard on 8:51am Mon 19 Mar 07
I used to really like popping down to the footy to see all the men in thier shorts running around.... but now this horrid carbuncle will keep me away...
I used to really like popping down to the footy to see all the men in thier shorts running around.... but now this horrid carbuncle will keep me away...
Posted by: Freda Wheeler on 8:53am Mon 19 Mar 07
It reminds me of my late husband, he was short in the leg also.
It reminds me of my late husband, he was short in the leg also.
Posted by: Killers Knee, Southampton on 8:56am Mon 19 Mar 07
Why do Saints have a statue of Milan Mandaric?
Why do Saints have a statue of Milan Mandaric?
Posted by: Ted Bates, 6ft under on 9:01am Mon 19 Mar 07
Outraged! FFS!
My hands were never that big!
Outraged! FFS!
My hands were never that big!
Posted by: Mark, Netley on 9:24am Mon 19 Mar 07
It is poor, we fans saved up for that statue and we get that. Sorry Ted!
It is poor, we fans saved up for that statue and we get that. Sorry Ted!
Posted by: Alex, Romsey on 9:31am Mon 19 Mar 07
quote [italic]Dave Ford, chairman of the Ted Bates Trust, which commissioned the project and shared the cost with the club, said: "Ian has done a tremendous job. It's very rare I'm lost for words but I saw the statue last week and it's awesome - a tremendous tribute to a great man.[/italic]Saints should get Dave Ford to write on the OS, there would never be any bad news, disgraceful TAKE IT DOWN!
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Dave Ford, chairman of the Ted Bates Trust, which commissioned the project and shared the cost with the club, said: "Ian has done a tremendous job. It's very rare I'm lost for words but I saw the statue last week and it's awesome - a tremendous tribute to a great man.Saints should get Dave Ford to write on the OS, there would never be any bad news, disgraceful TAKE IT DOWN!
Posted by: Pat, Suffolk on 9:38am Mon 19 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Avrom Shalom[/bold] wrote:
It's pathetic, just like your club.[/quote] Everyone in football respected Ted Bates, he was not only a father figure for Southampton FC, but a true ambassador for game we all love.
In return for his lifelong work for the game he was honoured by a MBE.
Now Southampton FC have rewarded this paragon of loyalty and devotion with a statue outside our new stadium. Very fitting as Ted's hardwork and devotion was the prime reason the stadium was built in the first place. He played, coached and managed, a what was then, lowly 3rd Division club. His managment skills saw this club climb and establish itself in the very top division, and this club has lived on the back of his success since.
Since his death the club have slipped back, unfortunatley. But, even though we are struggling to get back to our former status, we have a lot to thank Ted for.
Yes, no other person from Southampton FC deserves to have a statue outside StMarys, than our beloved Ted.
An unseemly who pays what, and who should pay, row dogged this worthy tribute. But that controversy apart, it was deemed by all a fitting, and just reward to the debt owed to this man by all of us.
The long awaited statue was unveiled this weekend. Instead of fatherlike figure overlooking the stadium with dignity, we got a caricture so gross in it's conception, and creation that it makes our hero look ridiculous. We expected dignity, and got an insulting lump of scrap metal. It is embarrassingly disrespectful, and holds the great man up to ridicule.
The creator of this, note I don't say sculptor, should be thourghly ashamed. The person who allowed such a lump of expensive metal to be unveiled should be be sacked forthwith, and the club should issue an unreserved apology to Teds family, and to all of it's fans. Then the 'lump' should immeadiatly covered until it is removed. They don't even have to replace it, because they proved they can't even oversee such an important project, leave that to us fans.
The creator of this monstrous insult, should return all of his fee, then never show his face at the ground again.
To all those of you mocking Ted over this creation, remember although you may wish to take the micky out of this club, its board, and fans, dont mock the man, he deserves respect from everyone in the game, like Shankly, like Busby and the likes.
Avrom Shalom wrote:
It's pathetic, just like your club.
Everyone in football respected Ted Bates, he was not only a father figure for Southampton FC, but a true ambassador for game we all love.
In return for his lifelong work for the game he was honoured by a MBE.
Now Southampton FC have rewarded this paragon of loyalty and devotion with a statue outside our new stadium. Very fitting as Ted's hardwork and devotion was the prime reason the stadium was built in the first place. He played, coached and managed, a what was then, lowly 3rd Division club. His managment skills saw this club climb and establish itself in the very top division, and this club has lived on the back of his success since.
Since his death the club have slipped back, unfortunatley. But, even though we are struggling to get back to our former status, we have a lot to thank Ted for.
Yes, no other person from Southampton FC deserves to have a statue outside StMarys, than our beloved Ted.
An unseemly who pays what, and who should pay, row dogged this worthy tribute. But that controversy apart, it was deemed by all a fitting, and just reward to the debt owed to this man by all of us.
The long awaited statue was unveiled this weekend. Instead of fatherlike figure overlooking the stadium with dignity, we got a caricture so gross in it's conception, and creation that it makes our hero look ridiculous. We expected dignity, and got an insulting lump of scrap metal. It is embarrassingly disrespectful, and holds the great man up to ridicule.
The creator of this, note I don't say sculptor, should be thourghly ashamed. The person who allowed such a lump of expensive metal to be unveiled should be be sacked forthwith, and the club should issue an unreserved apology to Teds family, and to all of it's fans. Then the 'lump' should immeadiatly covered until it is removed. They don't even have to replace it, because they proved they can't even oversee such an important project, leave that to us fans.
The creator of this monstrous insult, should return all of his fee, then never show his face at the ground again.
To all those of you mocking Ted over this creation, remember although you may wish to take the micky out of this club, its board, and fans, dont mock the man, he deserves respect from everyone in the game, like Shankly, like Busby and the likes.
Posted by: Snow White, The New Forest on 9:52am Mon 19 Mar 07
So that's where Dopey went?
So that's where Dopey went?
Posted by: Howie, Totton on 9:52am Mon 19 Mar 07
I was involved with the fund raising for this statue, painting & donating a total of five paintings & one oil painting of Ted, dont have a go at the organizers as they have worked hard & simply done there best. my Ted painting raised £1800 towards the statue take a look at my site iconic-arts.
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I was involved with the fund raising for this statue, painting & donating a total of five paintings & one oil painting of Ted, dont have a go at the organizers as they have worked hard & simply done there best. my Ted painting raised £1800 towards the statue take a look at my site iconic-arts.
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Posted by: Paul, Portsmouth on 10:00am Mon 19 Mar 07
Such a shame. If a similar monstrosity of Jimmy Dickinson was erected I'm sure all us Pompey fans would be up in arms too. A man who gave so much to his club deserves better than to be made a laughing stock of.
Such a shame. If a similar monstrosity of Jimmy Dickinson was erected I'm sure all us Pompey fans would be up in arms too. A man who gave so much to his club deserves better than to be made a laughing stock of.
Posted by: Daren Wheeler, Southampton on 10:06am Mon 19 Mar 07
It's a bit awkward as I know several of the Ted Bates committee personally and the sculptor is a Saints fan but it's truly, truly awful. I'm at a loss to see how anyone can look at it and not feel uneasy at how someone who is truly a footballing great can be portrayed like this. It's absolutely horrific. It's not in proportion and it looks more like Milan Mandaric.
It was a golden opportunity to leave a lasting tribute to someone who is up there with the likes of Shankly and Busby for the effect he has had on his football club. It's ended up a ghastly eye sore.
Please, please.... take it away...
It's a bit awkward as I know several of the Ted Bates committee personally and the sculptor is a Saints fan but it's truly, truly awful. I'm at a loss to see how anyone can look at it and not feel uneasy at how someone who is truly a footballing great can be portrayed like this. It's absolutely horrific. It's not in proportion and it looks more like Milan Mandaric.
It was a golden opportunity to leave a lasting tribute to someone who is up there with the likes of Shankly and Busby for the effect he has had on his football club. It's ended up a ghastly eye sore.
Please, please.... take it away...
Posted by: Stewart Light, Romsey on 10:27am Mon 19 Mar 07
Please take it down immediately, it's dreadful! A terrible tribute to the man, the club, its fans and the city of Southampton.
Please take it down immediately, it's dreadful! A terrible tribute to the man, the club, its fans and the city of Southampton.
Posted by: Czeslawa Petronela Tadeusz, Shirley on 10:36am Mon 19 Mar 07
Can only assume this sculptor has studied pictures of Charlie Chaplin, Laurel & Hardy to turn out something so comical.
Everyone I know who has seen it, has just broke out in fits of laughter.
If this is having that effect, then why wasn't it picked up before.
Absolutely disgraceful to portrait T Bates in such a humorous demenour, unforgivable
Czeslawa
Can only assume this sculptor has studied pictures of Charlie Chaplin, Laurel & Hardy to turn out something so comical.
Everyone I know who has seen it, has just broke out in fits of laughter.
If this is having that effect, then why wasn't it picked up before.
Absolutely disgraceful to portrait T Bates in such a humorous demenour, unforgivable
Czeslawa
Posted by: Fratton Fred, North End on 11:00am Mon 19 Mar 07
I assume the real sculptor was unavailable so Tony Hart stepped in! Wait until the Bournemouth and Brighton fans see it in 2008/09 season!!!
I assume the real sculptor was unavailable so Tony Hart stepped in! Wait until the Bournemouth and Brighton fans see it in 2008/09 season!!!
Posted by: I've got a complaint, Ipswich Fan on 11:03am Mon 19 Mar 07
It looks like Ted was in fact '80's kids cartoon cop Inspector Gadget. He's just started waving when he accidently said "Go Go Gadget arm" and out it sprang.
Why's he kneeling in prayer? Any significance?
It looks like Ted was in fact '80's kids cartoon cop Inspector Gadget. He's just started waving when he accidently said "Go Go Gadget arm" and out it sprang.
Why's he kneeling in prayer? Any significance?
Posted by: Matthew, Southampton on 11:04am Mon 19 Mar 07
It’s dreadful; an utter embarrassment yet sadly indicative of the football club (possibly the city) and how it has gone downhill over the last five years. No other club or group of supporters would allow something like this to be put up as a tribute and that says all we need to know. When will Saints fans stop accepting rubbish? I hope this is taken down immediately as it is simply not appropriate to a man of such standing.
It’s dreadful; an utter embarrassment yet sadly indicative of the football club (possibly the city) and how it has gone downhill over the last five years. No other club or group of supporters would allow something like this to be put up as a tribute and that says all we need to know. When will Saints fans stop accepting rubbish? I hope this is taken down immediately as it is simply not appropriate to a man of such standing.
Posted by: Andy Jackson, Southampton on 11:07am Mon 19 Mar 07
The general concensus is that the statue is an embarrassment and should be replaced, remoulded, etc
Are there any comments from the Sculpter, Mr Bates family, or The Ted Bates Trust to counter the negativity.
We need a way forward, that delivers a statue, and lasting tribute, befitting of a man who represented our club so professionally during his lifetime.
The general concensus is that the statue is an embarrassment and should be replaced, remoulded, etc
Are there any comments from the Sculpter, Mr Bates family, or The Ted Bates Trust to counter the negativity.
We need a way forward, that delivers a statue, and lasting tribute, befitting of a man who represented our club so professionally during his lifetime.
Posted by: J. Adam, southsea on 11:23am Mon 19 Mar 07
I think don't think it's that bad, this has been blown all out of proportion
I think don't think it's that bad, this has been blown all out of proportion
Posted by: big dan, eastleigh on 11:29am Mon 19 Mar 07
i can't believe what i've just seen, surely the photo isn't doing the statue justice, SURELY.......
i can't believe what i've just seen, surely the photo isn't doing the statue justice, SURELY.......
Posted by: Paul, London on 11:53am Mon 19 Mar 07
It looks like something you pick up for free with a McDonalds Happy meal.
It looks like something you pick up for free with a McDonalds Happy meal.
Posted by: Steve Sevier, Portsmouth on 12:05pm Mon 19 Mar 07
An absolute disgrace,
Should be taken down right away.This is no way a tribute to a great man
An absolute disgrace,
Should be taken down right away.This is no way a tribute to a great man
Posted by: Snow White, Magic Forest on 12:12pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I think it looks great. I've got 7 just like it myself.
I think it looks great. I've got 7 just like it myself.
Posted by: Gordon Bennett, Midlands on 12:46pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I'm afraid news of this monstrosity is spreading like wildfire. I'm neither a Saints nor a Pompey fan and the hilarity of this statue has already been pointed out to me by three people.
I feel very sorry for you all.
I'm afraid news of this monstrosity is spreading like wildfire. I'm neither a Saints nor a Pompey fan and the hilarity of this statue has already been pointed out to me by three people.
I feel very sorry for you all.
Posted by: lake, southampton on 12:56pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Didnt realise Ted Bates was a midget with girls hands! The statue suits the teams performances.
Didnt realise Ted Bates was a midget with girls hands! The statue suits the teams performances.
Posted by: LOL on 12:59pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Was Ian Brennan drunk for 18 months?
Was Ian Brennan drunk for 18 months?
Posted by: Wintonian, Winchester on 1:01pm Mon 19 Mar 07
What should have been a great tribute to a great man is now actually the laughing stock of the football world. It looks as if it was done on the cheap & just looks ridiculous. A sad day for the club, every other club that has done the same has done a great job. It makes the club look amaterish & just plain stupid. Very much like the recent performances on the pitch.
What should have been a great tribute to a great man is now actually the laughing stock of the football world. It looks as if it was done on the cheap & just looks ridiculous. A sad day for the club, every other club that has done the same has done a great job. It makes the club look amaterish & just plain stupid. Very much like the recent performances on the pitch.
Posted by: Chris on 1:04pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Just when you thing things couldnt get any worse.........words fail me..god bless you Ted and Mary..at least us real fans know what the father of our once proud club mean to us
Just when you thing things couldnt get any worse.........words fail me..god bless you Ted and Mary..at least us real fans know what the father of our once proud club mean to us
Posted by: Jon on 1:04pm Mon 19 Mar 07
This statue is a total insult to a great man, take down this waste of money and sue the "artist?" for misrepresentation
This statue is a total insult to a great man, take down this waste of money and sue the "artist?" for misrepresentation
Posted by: CHRIS NEWMAN, MIDANBURY, SOUTHAMPTON on 1:12pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Has April the 1st come early or something. I thought someone was having a laugh at the expense of the memory of a great man when I saw The Echo. I grew up watching Ted's sides.The brilliance of Paine & Sydenham etc. I couldn't as a boy get to the ground fast enough whenever we played. Also there were some terrific wins back in those days over that lot down the road and the adrenaline pumping cup run during the big freeze of 1963 -plus the 65/66 Promtion to the top flight campaign. Now this SO CALLED WORK OF ART has Ted looking more like Bobby Robson than E.T.Bates. Perhaps it IS .. E.T. Tell yuh what. Let's go the whole hog, put a turned up peaked cap on the statue and wire the thing up with a Mr Grimsdale sound effect and it would look like the way master comedian Norman Wisdom looks these days. CHRIS NEWMAN.
Has April the 1st come early or something. I thought someone was having a laugh at the expense of the memory of a great man when I saw The Echo. I grew up watching Ted's sides.The brilliance of Paine & Sydenham etc. I couldn't as a boy get to the ground fast enough whenever we played. Also there were some terrific wins back in those days over that lot down the road and the adrenaline pumping cup run during the big freeze of 1963 -plus the 65/66 Promtion to the top flight campaign. Now this SO CALLED WORK OF ART has Ted looking more like Bobby Robson than E.T.Bates. Perhaps it IS .. E.T. Tell yuh what. Let's go the whole hog, put a turned up peaked cap on the statue and wire the thing up with a Mr Grimsdale sound effect and it would look like the way master comedian Norman Wisdom looks these days. CHRIS NEWMAN.
Posted by: baz, southampton on 1:12pm Mon 19 Mar 07
The Ted Bates statue is an absolute joke-totally out of proportion.
I think the"sculptor" must be a closet Pompey supporter - either that or lousy at his job!!
The Ted Bates statue is an absolute joke-totally out of proportion.
I think the"sculptor" must be a closet Pompey supporter - either that or lousy at his job!!
Posted by: PHIL REYNOLDS, SALISBURY on 1:30pm Mon 19 Mar 07
[bold]bold[/bold] I've been supporting Saints since 1968, and this has got to be one of the worst things i can remember happening ... A total disgrace to such a great man and servant of our club ... cover it up now ... then remove it ... He deserves better ... its not the collectors/fund raisers fault they must be as shocked asthe rest of us...
Remove it now.
I've been supporting Saints since 1968, and this has got to be one of the worst things i can remember happening ... A total disgrace to such a great man and servant of our club ... cover it up now ... then remove it ... He deserves better ... its not the collectors/fund raisers fault they must be as shocked asthe rest of us...
Remove it now.
Posted by: Reg, Lordshill on 1:35pm Mon 19 Mar 07
The commitee are as much to blame.Did they not check the drawings and the statue before it was erected ? What a waste of money.....
The commitee are as much to blame.Did they not check the drawings and the statue before it was erected ? What a waste of money.....
Posted by: Pompey Fan in fits of laughter, Utopia on 1:50pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Best laugh i've had in a long while. Why tear it down when it is so obviously fitting for where your club is right now. Why dont you just put a long mac on him and call him inspector gadget.
Best laugh i've had in a long while. Why tear it down when it is so obviously fitting for where your club is right now. Why dont you just put a long mac on him and call him inspector gadget.
Posted by: LUKE GLASSPELL, millbrook on 1:51pm Mon 19 Mar 07
someone needs to come forward from the
trust & explain how this complete joke has
happened, the fans have donated more than
£50k towards what adds up to just more
embarrassment for the club & our city. the only
saving grace is that Ted himself was not there
to see it. It must come down before
the next home game. not a good month is it?!!
someone needs to come forward from the
trust & explain how this complete joke has
happened, the fans have donated more than
£50k towards what adds up to just more
embarrassment for the club & our city. the only
saving grace is that Ted himself was not there
to see it. It must come down before
the next home game. not a good month is it?!!
Posted by: Nick Kenchington, cadnam on 1:56pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Not only did it cost more than other statues, it looks worse than those efforts.
Ted Bates, a true legend. The most vital of all the cogs in the machine, and now we get this. It really does feel like we've been kicked in the stomach.
Awful. A joke.
Get it down, [bold]NOW[/bold] !
Not only did it cost more than other statues, it looks worse than those efforts.
Ted Bates, a true legend. The most vital of all the cogs in the machine, and now we get this. It really does feel like we've been kicked in the stomach.
Awful. A joke.
Get it down,
NOW !
Posted by: PompeyHero, PORTSMOUTH on 1:58pm Mon 19 Mar 07
HAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAH
HAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAH
Posted by: Matt Terrell, Hamble on 2:04pm Mon 19 Mar 07
This Ted Bates statue is a joke yeah? I personally don't care if it cost the club another £112000 to get this statue removed or reworked or for that matter £1000000 & another year in the Championship. This is Ted Bates we are talking about here, someone who epitomises everything this club is. Art is always subjective but come on, make the thing look like the legend he is, this should be iconic but this is a sham.
This Ted Bates statue is a joke yeah? I personally don't care if it cost the club another £112000 to get this statue removed or reworked or for that matter £1000000 & another year in the Championship. This is Ted Bates we are talking about here, someone who epitomises everything this club is. Art is always subjective but come on, make the thing look like the legend he is, this should be iconic but this is a sham.
Posted by: Tony Blair, London init on 2:06pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I genuinely feel really sorry for his family but this is the best laugh I've had since we hammered you 4-1
I genuinely feel really sorry for his family but this is the best laugh I've had since we hammered you 4-1
Posted by: Matt, Liverpool on 2:15pm Mon 19 Mar 07
The statue is a one off alright ! How can this be life like , is it a caricuture ? Oh i am lost for words , just look at some other football clubs (Sunderland a very good example) around the Country and see what they have got ! Please , please rectify this immediately (take it down) and start again .
Many Thanks
The statue is a one off alright ! How can this be life like , is it a caricuture ? Oh i am lost for words , just look at some other football clubs (Sunderland a very good example) around the Country and see what they have got ! Please , please rectify this immediately (take it down) and start again .
Many Thanks
Posted by: Mr Williams, Southampton on 2:29pm Mon 19 Mar 07
What a total waste of money and a total embarrassment. Sorry Ted you deserve better, please remove it before anything causes further embarrassment to our beloved football club. The Skates will be having a field day.
What a total waste of money and a total embarrassment. Sorry Ted you deserve better, please remove it before anything causes further embarrassment to our beloved football club. The Skates will be having a field day.
Posted by: lee, southampton on 2:52pm Mon 19 Mar 07
pompey fans showed no respect during the minutes silence for ted & now this so called tribute? take it down now!!!
pompey fans showed no respect during the minutes silence for ted & now this so called tribute? take it down now!!!
Posted by: Sauron, Mordoor on 3:26pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I was Just out digging my garden when i realised one of my ORCS has escaped...anyone seen it ?
I was Just out digging my garden when i realised one of my ORCS has escaped...anyone seen it ?
Posted by: Swiss Pompey, Swizzyland on 3:34pm Mon 19 Mar 07
As a Pompey fan, I love to see you lot failing in your attempts to get back into the Premiership. But I feel sorry for you over this farce. Ted Bates was a true football man and deserves so much more than this comedy piece. How long before someone throws a tarpauline over it ?
As a Pompey fan, I love to see you lot failing in your attempts to get back into the Premiership. But I feel sorry for you over this farce. Ted Bates was a true football man and deserves so much more than this comedy piece. How long before someone throws a tarpauline over it ?
Posted by: ray, somerset on 3:50pm Mon 19 Mar 07
disgusted to pay this amount for this poor so called statue. was this man drunk he should pay all the money back.
disgusted to pay this amount for this poor so called statue. was this man drunk he should pay all the money back.
Posted by: Elaine, Southampton on 3:53pm Mon 19 Mar 07
A great man who deserved a great deal more than this shameful statue. TAKE IT DOWN.
A great man who deserved a great deal more than this shameful statue. TAKE IT DOWN.
Posted by: tim dunne, horton heath on 3:54pm Mon 19 Mar 07
ohhhh for god sake.. please please take it down right away.
ohhhh for god sake.. please please take it down right away.
Posted by: IFourOne, Gosport on 3:58pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Could I just say in all seriousness;
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
-Ted Bates they were a joke club before you, and just have a guess what they are now.
Could I just say in all seriousness;
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
-Ted Bates they were a joke club before you, and just have a guess what they are now.
Posted by: maria gathy, southampton central on 4:04pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Having seen the previous work of the sculpter, i am not surprised at the outcome of the ted bates statue, he, on his website had no examples of human lifesize statues, just wildlife, and they apperaed only to be his impression rather than real, future generations of saints supporters will believe he looked like this crass caracature, and everyone will laugh at us, i know as i drove past it today i could not stop laughing despite knowing what a waste of my money this was...take it down it is revolting.
Having seen the previous work of the sculpter, i am not surprised at the outcome of the ted bates statue, he, on his website had no examples of human lifesize statues, just wildlife, and they apperaed only to be his impression rather than real, future generations of saints supporters will believe he looked like this crass caracature, and everyone will laugh at us, i know as i drove past it today i could not stop laughing despite knowing what a waste of my money this was...take it down it is revolting.
Posted by: simon olden, city centre on 4:14pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Can I do the next one? I'd make sure it would look like the person it was supposed to resemble though, and I'd do it for half the price.
Can the original one be melted down so I could use the bronze again, I'm sure I could do a better job in 18 months.
I have no formal, or informal training.
Can I do the next one? I'd make sure it would look like the person it was supposed to resemble though, and I'd do it for half the price.
Can the original one be melted down so I could use the bronze again, I'm sure I could do a better job in 18 months.
I have no formal, or informal training.
Posted by: John Benyon, Leicester on 4:19pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Now I have had a chance to have a look at it I must say I am very disappointed. Ted's legs look too short and his face should be more life-like.
I was brought up with Ted Bates and gave donations towards the statue in memory of my Dad who saw his first Saints game in 1928 and was a great admirer of Ted. I do think steps should be taken to make the statue more realistic of how Ted looked.
Now I have had a chance to have a look at it I must say I am very disappointed. Ted's legs look too short and his face should be more life-like.
I was brought up with Ted Bates and gave donations towards the statue in memory of my Dad who saw his first Saints game in 1928 and was a great admirer of Ted. I do think steps should be taken to make the statue more realistic of how Ted looked.
Posted by: Pompeymark, Portsmouth on 4:39pm Mon 19 Mar 07
That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The tears were rolling down my face and my stomach hurts.
I think the great man deserved a little better don't you?
That's the funniest thing I've ever seen. The tears were rolling down my face and my stomach hurts.
I think the great man deserved a little better don't you?
Posted by: Delboy, Canadaland on 4:41pm Mon 19 Mar 07
First off, I am a Pompey fan. I like to ridicule you lot whenever I can. I smile every time you lose. I don't care about SFC. However, even I feel sorry for you lot today. That statue is of a man who means a lot to you and they go and put something like that up. Pathetic. At first I thought the BBC website and put up the wrong photo since I thought I was looking at Milan Mandaric. But no, it's no mistake. What the **** were they thinking. I know how I would feel if a statue of Jimmy D was put up outside FP and it looked like that. So today, I feel for you lot (genuinely)...what a disgrace.
First off, I am a Pompey fan. I like to ridicule you lot whenever I can. I smile every time you lose. I don't care about SFC. However, even I feel sorry for you lot today. That statue is of a man who means a lot to you and they go and put something like that up. Pathetic. At first I thought the BBC website and put up the wrong photo since I thought I was looking at Milan Mandaric. But no, it's no mistake. What the **** were they thinking. I know how I would feel if a statue of Jimmy D was put up outside FP and it looked like that. So today, I feel for you lot (genuinely)...what a disgrace.
Posted by: dr.dolittle on 4:42pm Mon 19 Mar 07
There's a lot wrong with it.
the proportion is obviously wrong.
The resemblance is wrong.
More worryingly is that anyone who has watched sport would know that people don't hold a football at arms length with a straight arm.
I'm not sure the sculpter can get it right next time either, surely he's done his best, and if that'best' has to be returned for modification to the faults in it, how is he going to acheive that, he can't be better than his best can he?.
I wonder if this is a case of the Emperors New Clothes, where everyone involved on the comittee was too scared to say what they actually felt about it when it was a work in progress?
I say give the rework to the chap a few posts above me.
There's a lot wrong with it.
the proportion is obviously wrong.
The resemblance is wrong.
More worryingly is that anyone who has watched sport would know that people don't hold a football at arms length with a straight arm.
I'm not sure the sculpter can get it right next time either, surely he's done his best, and if that'best' has to be returned for modification to the faults in it, how is he going to acheive that, he can't be better than his best can he?.
I wonder if this is a case of the Emperors New Clothes, where everyone involved on the comittee was too scared to say what they actually felt about it when it was a work in progress?
I say give the rework to the chap a few posts above me.
Posted by: IFourONE, Gosport on 5:00pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Enter what you see here
I kept typing "it's either an oompah-loompah or Milan Mandaric" and it wouldn't let me post.
I reckon you should just start again - but this time if one of the people bidding to build it is called S. Wonder and is wearing sunglasses then choose someone else.
Enter what you see here
I kept typing "it's either an oompah-loompah or Milan Mandaric" and it wouldn't let me post.
I reckon you should just start again - but this time if one of the people bidding to build it is called S. Wonder and is wearing sunglasses then choose someone else.
Posted by: raymondio, soton on 5:24pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Looks like something out of Thunderbirds to me
Looks like something out of Thunderbirds to me
Posted by: Gordon Mockles, Southampton on 5:32pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I think many of the fans have been a bit insensitive with some harsh comments but I do agree it is not a good piece. It sorrows me to say it, as I know the sculptor has put in many hours into this prestigious project.
The proportions look wrong which, I believe, any professional sculptor should have noticed. The likeness is not great and the hands, head and upper body seem out of proportion whereas the legs and feet look too small. It looks top heavy. It's a shame, especially considering the cost.
I can't see the problem being resolved since you can't extend the statue or add to it. Maybe I am wrong. However, being a Saints statue, you couldn’t expect it to go well. It’s following in the clubs footsteps though, disappointing and a let down to the fans. Sorry Ian, but I’m not enamored with the sculpture.
I think many of the fans have been a bit insensitive with some harsh comments but I do agree it is not a good piece. It sorrows me to say it, as I know the sculptor has put in many hours into this prestigious project.
The proportions look wrong which, I believe, any professional sculptor should have noticed. The likeness is not great and the hands, head and upper body seem out of proportion whereas the legs and feet look too small. It looks top heavy. It's a shame, especially considering the cost.
I can't see the problem being resolved since you can't extend the statue or add to it. Maybe I am wrong. However, being a Saints statue, you couldn’t expect it to go well. It’s following in the clubs footsteps though, disappointing and a let down to the fans. Sorry Ian, but I’m not enamored with the sculpture.
Posted by: Gordon Mockles, Southampton on 5:36pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I forgot to add, to gain a sense of scale of the inaccuracy, hold a football in front of your head. In this case, the ball is much smaller than his head. Unless he had a head bigger than John Merrick (which I don't recall him having!), I believe this should be obvious. I read Ian's comments on the ball (which had shrunk after cooling) which gave a realistic look but I disagree. I wouldn't be so rude as to say he'd just accepted the end result of a mistake but surely he would realise this and have another try making the ball and everything in proportion to each other.
I forgot to add, to gain a sense of scale of the inaccuracy, hold a football in front of your head. In this case, the ball is much smaller than his head. Unless he had a head bigger than John Merrick (which I don't recall him having!), I believe this should be obvious. I read Ian's comments on the ball (which had shrunk after cooling) which gave a realistic look but I disagree. I wouldn't be so rude as to say he'd just accepted the end result of a mistake but surely he would realise this and have another try making the ball and everything in proportion to each other.
Posted by: Ronald McDonald, Gosport on 6:39pm Mon 19 Mar 07
From all us Pompey Fans in Gosport. We hated it when you beat us. We loved it when we beat you. You sing our name week in and out, and we return the compliment. Whether it be fun or hate is irrelevant, as we will all unite when we support England, and unite when we appreciate a good footballer, a hero, a legend. That insulting thing they call a tribute to mr Bates is an embarrasement. I feel for you, although i doubt you would feel for us, if our Jimmy D was made to look like an Umpa Lumpa lol
From all us Pompey Fans in Gosport. We hated it when you beat us. We loved it when we beat you. You sing our name week in and out, and we return the compliment. Whether it be fun or hate is irrelevant, as we will all unite when we support England, and unite when we appreciate a good footballer, a hero, a legend. That insulting thing they call a tribute to mr Bates is an embarrasement. I feel for you, although i doubt you would feel for us, if our Jimmy D was made to look like an Umpa Lumpa lol
Posted by: Ronald McDonald, Gosport on 6:42pm Mon 19 Mar 07
From all us Pompey Fans in Gosport. We hated it when you beat us. We loved it when we beat you. You sing our name week in and out, and we return the compliment. Whether it be fun or hate is irrelevant, as we will all unite when we support England, and unite when we appreciate a good footballer, a hero, a legend. That insulting thing they c
